Well I'm saying this because this they would organize and give points for charities, there was a musician of the month etc etc, look at waffles main page one image is broken, it sure is messy right now that is why I'm asking if they aren't loosing their will to continue, that is just what I am asking because I saw many servers letting themselves go and then going out, a good server who decided to quit for instance was "follow the white rabbit" .