Apollo News - Staffer takes over

From IRC:

[Mocha] Man I hope APL comes back soon. Not sure what to do with my time now

[workstations] I've had a week at a conference, but starting monday I'll be in the same boat.

[kitteh] down? rip

[Galactica] theres hope

[Galactica] just will take a bit of waiting

[Athena] there is hope, there still is

[Galactica] prob wont be as bad as last year

[Athena] I am confident O will contact me at some point

[Athena] just keep seeding

[WarningShot] what is your battle plan, Athena?

[Athena] as soon as I get a hold of O again I will ask him for the database

[Athena] and the domain

[WarningShot] ye-yes, I got that

[WarningShot] you get the keys, launch the site

[Athena] and I will get my own servers and run the site

[Athena] and everything will be usable

[WarningShot] then what?

[Athena] and you can download music

[Athena] ?

[WarningShot] let me elaborate

[WarningShot] Waffles came back too

[CaptainK] Give the girl a break please

[WarningShot] in a zombie state

[Athena] it's fine CaptainK

[WarningShot] what's your battle plan to avoid that?

[Athena] Waffles was down for months

[Athena] APL only been down for 2 weeks now

[Athena] sure, we will have lost some peers

[Athena] but all perfect flacs for example are archived by the archive team

[WakamiyaShinobu] Athena, what hes asking is - what incentive will users have to even give you yet another chance? I have no doubts you can get it up and running, but you seem to expect everyone to forget everything and just keep going as usual

[WarningShot] I would also like to mention that last year was a bit different, because I didn't here "APL dead" attitude expressed so loud and clear

[WarningShot] basically I hear now a lot of oeple is dropping torrents

[WarningShot] because from the first person they heard the world "It's over"

[WarningShot] *word

[WarningShot] sorry, my english sucks and typing too

[Athena] in my announcement on Reddit I told everybody to keep their torrents seeding, so I hope people still have that.

[Athena] yes some people will have lost faith in the site, and I cannot blame them for that

[WakamiyaShinobu] and that should be enough to give users an incentive to trust you?

[WakamiyaShinobu] gotcha

[Athena] I guess the oly way to prove them wrong is to run APL competently, that means, high security, little downtime

[WakamiyaShinobu] if someone was to take over and give apl some credibility it would be you at this point, i'll give you that

[Athena] I completely understand that gaining the trust of these users will not go overnight, it will not go in a week

[WarningShot] frankly I would expect losing not "some" peers

[Athena] but if we manage to run it stable for months, that would be an indication that we are a stable and good tracker, right?

[Athena] we will lose a lot of peers

[WakamiyaShinobu] yes

[WakamiyaShinobu] but

[Athena] but many of these users can re-download files and start seeding again

[Athena] given that they still have the music files

[WakamiyaShinobu] lets be real here, why wait until its too late? you had downtimes at LEAST once a month for over a year, and nothing was done

[TheRainbowChild87] Hi ! So what's new today ?

[Athena] I had no power to change anything at these points

[WakamiyaShinobu] like every third or so downtime there'd be an excuse on the sitea nd thats that

[Athena] if O gives me the database, I can run the site myself

[WakamiyaShinobu] why would it be any different now, and whyd u wait this long?

[binarydata] Athena is a Goddess. Be nice ;)

[Galactica] You are right Athena

[Athena] W and O are very fine people, but they have always been terribly busy

[Galactica] Time will show

[Athena] sometimes, their lives restricted them from fixing things, which resulted in long downtimes

[Galactica] Keeping it consistant, keeping it secure spread among multiple people will show the userbase

[encore] do you have a sysop to relaunch?

[Athena] yes, myself

[WarningShot] that's why they were made sysops after the sysop is missing debacle of 2017

[WarningShot] because they were always busy

[encore] will you have 2 more?

[Galactica] Real life happens, its a thing

[Athena] at least one more, yes

[encore] ok, thx

[Galactica] No secret that ops have to have a lot of time to dedicate

[WarningShot] I'm not even going there, my point was about the zombie state

[Athena] I will not have the keys alone, I will share them with at least one more active staff member that I fully trust

[WakamiyaShinobu] well I mean, you got the whole torrent world to prove wrong so I wish you luck - as you know better than anyone, a LOT of people are skeptical

[WakamiyaShinobu] wish you luck

[WarningShot] I mean I love Waffles, but it is unusable

[Galactica] Thats def good enough for me

[Athena] I know WakamiyaShinobu, I like proving people wrong

[Athena] thanks

[WarningShot] I'm sad that you have no plan to avoid that

[Galactica] Athena if you werent at the forefront of this, there would chaos and panic

[WarningShot] a competition maybe

[CaptainK] Amazing how peoples english skills rapidly improve

[Galactica] would be*

[WakamiyaShinobu] all things considered, even though im TM on red and have been exclusively investing in RED, I do think there is a place for a well ran apollo to exist

[Galactica] If Waffles went to Gazelle alone they would have drastic improvement overnight

[Athena] WarningShot, I never said I'm not going to be doing something to get the peer #s up again

[Athena] but that's something I'm not deciding on my own, APL has a lot of staff, and we will need to discuss that collectively

[WakamiyaShinobu] I still remember Athena writing that APL was going to be the best music tracker and overtake red with the new features in a forum post way back when

[WakamiyaShinobu] as in a few months ago

[Athena] well we have new features

[Athena] overtaking RED might have been a bit on the ambitious side of things though

[Athena] :P

[WakamiyaShinobu] dream big

[WakamiyaShinobu] :D

[Athena] it will always be worse than you dream it to be

[Athena] so you better dream it real nice

[CaptainK] Your so well infomed

[WakamiyaShinobu] Who is?

[Athena] and I mean nothing negative towards RED by the way, I think it's a very solid tracker

[flitec] hi all

[Athena] whether or not APL can reach true glory after this downtime and drama, we will see

[Athena] but I can promise you that the staff and I will give everything we got

[WarningShot] I have another question

[WakamiyaShinobu] my advice is to give up trying to be a competitor to RED and make APL unique in its own way

[Athena] I'm already doing that WakamiyaShinobu with bonus points and some other things coming up

[Athena] WarningShot, fire

[CaptainK] The nay sayers arise again lol

[WarningShot] Do you need any donations to launch your servers to full operation at this monemt (let's say you have the backups ready)?

[Athena] no

[WakamiyaShinobu] how come? APL was very open about needing donations to stay afloat

[Athena] I'm not going to take your money since that would be terribly scummy and uncredible

[WakamiyaShinobu] what changed?

[Athena] we did it once before, can't possibly ask y'all to do it again

[Athena] I have made some plans to decrease server load

[Athena] that will allow us to lower server costs without compromising on security

[Athena] and oh, cloudflare will be gone

[WakamiyaShinobu] do you have all staff aboard in case you take over? for example, i imagine if i was a dev and i poured all that time into developing features and everything is at the brink of being gone forever

[Athena] all the staff are supporting me

[WakamiyaShinobu] id be tempted to be like "fuck this"

[WakamiyaShinobu] ah i see

[CaptainK] I heard there drafting ci7

[WarningShot] Thanks for the answer

[Athena] at least I have not heard any of them coplain yet :P

[Athena] complain

[WarningShot] Last part about cloudflare I've heard before though

[Pisces] Staff are onboard

[Athena] yeah but now forral

[Athena] I got it all thought out already

[Athena] cloudflare is not part of my setup

[WarningShot] Well, as the old McDonald commercial said

[WarningShot] "Hey, it could happen"

[WarningShot] or something like that

[WakamiyaShinobu] what would it take to discourage you? even you would give up trying to run a tracker with no active users, no steady flow of torrents and so forth

[Athena] WakamiyaShinobu, we'll see

[Athena] I am an optimistic piece of shit, you know

[encore] heh

[WakamiyaShinobu] didn't know

[Galactica] "I'm Lovin' It"

[WakamiyaShinobu] thanks for the AMA kinda thing, tho

[Athena] np

[Galactica] Athena I believe

[Galactica] thx to u

[Athena] if anybody got more questions I'd love to hear them

[Pratt] Uhm.

[asd78] any word from O?

[Pratt] :p

[Athena] and I will answer them as long as it doesn't compromise any security etc

[Athena] not yet, but I am confident I will hear something in the coming days

[commoner] what are your thoughts on the monetary policy of the malaysian central bank?

[Athena] yes

[CaptainK] Can you solve things in Venezuela?

[Athena] nope

[binarydata] Marry me? ;D

[Athena] lmao

[helifreak] will greeny be retaining his role as sysop?

[Athena] always

[helifreak] good

[Athena] seriously though, any more questions regarding APL?

[WakamiyaShinobu] i got one

[phazymcdaise] apollo is a great site. the only thing missing was a more active userbase

[WakamiyaShinobu] ill pm

[phazymcdaise] not as many autosnatchers as red

[workstations] Athena: more of an order than a question: if we can help, let us know!

[Athena] yeah, our userbase has not been extremely active compared to RED

[Athena] but I hope that will improve

[binarydata] Let me know if you need anything Athena.

[phazymcdaise] why do trackers have such an aversion to global freeleeches?

[asd78] cause they fuck up the economy

[helifreak] bad for the economy

[binarydata] I have my fingers in many cookie jars. :)

[phazymcdaise] it alwasys seems like something that would boost activity massively

[helifreak] and ruin the economy

[commoner] it would, and then everyone has a ratio of 10+ and doesn't need to do anything any more

[phazymcdaise] hmm yeah i guess

[commoner] it's a good way to kickstart a tracker

[commoner] get some 'money' into circulation

[phazymcdaise] is there some way of tying in the bonus points to forum activity?

[welp] some trackers give BP for idling in IRC :)

[phazymcdaise] the more time people are on the site in general, the more likely they are to upload/download

[Athena] phazymcdaise, what asd78 says basically

[helifreak] that's what we need welp

[helifreak] more people idling in irc doing nothing

[welp] 50 points per werewolf ame

[helifreak] lord knows we don't have enough of those

[sjo] The person who invited me had a 4TB buffer due to FL at the beginning of APL.

[raspy] you just have to tie in idlerpg to bp

[Athena] it boosts activity temporarily, but if you do them too often, it fucks up activity outside of the FL

[phazymcdaise] yeah btn have a irc bonus thing don't they

[Athena] I think BP for idling in irc is a bad idea

[Athena] you get more people idling but not more people chatting

[sjo] And I honestly got more snatches on my stuff at APL than RED.

[Athena] people will just set up a bouncer or a server-based client and never look back at it

[phazymcdaise] maybe a karma system in the forums that would give bonus points though, so it's a meaningful contribution that's needed

[commoner] you can already give people FL tokens, but tying that into the forum could be a nice idea

[commoner] "give this person a FL token for this post" and "Y gave you an FL token for this post!"

[commoner] builds community too

[phazymcdaise] exactly

[helifreak] "post in this thread for tokens"

[encore] its a big undertaking, i would settle for back and stable first

[commoner] nothing can be done until the site is up again, of course

[commoner] first up, then stable, then features

[encore] exactly, dont bite off too much

[Athena] I agree with commoner

[phazymcdaise] an active news page with interesting posts always keeps me coming back to various trackers

[Pratt] Find O and get 1K BP.

[Athena] although I want to go for up and stable at the same time from the beginning

[commoner] if you squint, you don't see the ', then' between those :P

[Bifrost] great news WakamiyaShinobu, at least one dev hasn't fucked off yet

[Bifrost] could even be more

[lights] Athena: worst case scenario: start fresh?

[Athena] worst case is that we do not get the DB

[Athena] we can either call it quits entirely or start fresh

[lights] aw dang

[Athena] I'm not sure what we will do, that is not only my call to make

[lights] yeah

[lights] best of luck

[Athena] but starting fresh is not unlikely

[Athena] since we have the archive team

[WarningShot] How long are you planning to wait for the response?

[Athena] until it comes, and it will come.

[WarningShot] Like you have to pay for the rest of the architecture, correct?

[Athena] the staff and I will cover what donations lack, including the entire first month, yes

[emunas1] hello people. any updates since yesterday evening?

[WakamiyaShinobu] can you give us some perspective of how much your new setup will save? how much was the previous monthly bill, and how much will it be now?

[WakamiyaShinobu] approx

[commoner] the worst case scenario is that a previously undiscovered deep space object was just detected coming out of our observational blind spot behind the sun on a collision course with earth, leaving us only a few hours to come to terms with our inevitable destruction

[Athena] approximately we will go from 6 hundred something to 3 hundred somthing

[commoner] that's always the worst case scenario

[Athena] and I am NOT compromising on security, let me stress that

[emunas1] i see there's been some work....have we confirmed the backup and now we're just looking for a host?

[WakamiyaShinobu] have spaghetti give apl the seal of security approval

[Athena] not compromising, just optimising

[WakamiyaShinobu] sorry, bad joke

[Athena] there is a backup but I don't have it yet

[Athena] I am waiting for O to contact me

[emunas1] have you gotten back in touch with O again?

[lights] lol

[Athena] so no real news since yesterday

[Athena] not yet

[lights] O's security was pretty funny

[Athena] but I am confident it will happen

[Athena] lights, let's not go into that now

[Athena] we are going to look forward, not backwards ;)

[lights] ��

[encore] how confident are you he will give it to you?

[emunas1] i am not a favor of the blame game either. but i do think that we should learn from what happened with A last year and with O this year to make sure that something like this doesn't happen again

[somedood] hi peoples

[commoner] if he wanted to stay incommunicado, he could have

[Athena] I am not sure emunas1

[Athena] why do you think I have barely been sleeping!

[emunas1] lol

[lights] immortal people don't need sleep, it's just another activity for them?

[commoner] Athena, you're not allowed to die of exhaustion until after you've shared the keys with at least 1 other staffer!

[raspy] ha

[emunas1] lol

[WarningShot] I'll say have some sleep

[Athena] lol don't worry

[encore] i went through a long spell of sleepless nights, its not fun

[WarningShot] like now

[Athena] I'll be fine frens

[emunas1] thanks for all the work and staying on top of this. we as a community are very appreciative

[WarningShot] with loud speakers near you & IRC notofications

[WarningShot] I would even stop asking questions

[encore] the life of a sysop lol

[Athena] with the current rate of mentions and PMs

[WarningShot] exhaustion is no fucking joke

[Athena] I will be kept awake

[raspy] BING what is the ETA BING what is the ETA

[commoner] update please

[emunas1] it's O's ETA and we don't know what that is

[Athena] also just random nice people wishing me luck

[commoner] any news

[commoner] what's been happening

[encore] we all wish you luck, and are sorry for all the questions

[Athena] I need your trust, and therefor I need to be transparent

[WarningShot] fuck no I'm not sorry for the questions, we need that in the protocol, especially the donation part

[Athena] no need to say sorry :P

[WarningShot] but I'm not for people dying or getting hurt

[WarningShot] standing for someone they love

[WarningShot] or something

[WarningShot] so I can stop asking so oeple would get some rest

[Athena] anyways I got to get going so take care and hang tight

[encore] well im sorry feels like a cross examination when she's not at fault

[Athena] AND KEEP THESE TORRENTS SEEDING!

[CaptainK] yeah put another record on

[RootedFour] wait the tracker is up?

[lights] what?

[RootedFour] does it matter if we seed?

[RootedFour] with the tracker down, I mean

[raspy] no, but dont delete them either

[lights] wait, by tracker do you mean gazelle or ocelot

[Athena] well I guess I meant to keep them in your client and not deleting them

[RootedFour] alright, gotcha :)

[Athena] cheers, take care

thanks for the update. lots of entitled assholes.

Hope she succeds, since apollo is the only music tracker that i can use to explore new music and go on wild downloads without worrying about ratio