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With all the new laws being passed, piracy and online freedom seems to be under a serious threat. Corporations are trying to shut down the popular file-sharing sites, but they keep resurrecting. How long is it going to last?
Are public trackers safe any longer? Can we count on them, or should we switch to private ones? What is your opinion on this?
i see that even so they closes all current public trackers new ones will born with another domain or with another new name.
and about count on public safe or not, in mean time the public trackers not safe any more as your ISP can terminate your port for p2p if they logging and caught u uses trackers that go for infringment of copyrights at the end it depends on ur ISP, and also public trackers not safe for your accounts on private trackers as you peering with public ones that you dont know who they are.
My personal view : Switching to private more secure and more effecient way to downloading, uploading and privacy too and also its closed communities not every body know everything about that's it my friend
You are absolutely right. Private trackers excel in every category. The only shortcoming of theirs, is that they don't have as much content as public ones.
Allow me to add I owe personally a lot to the public trackers....so would be kinda sad to see them dying in the comin future :)
@Mokoshotar @Amenda
duh! Private trackers are minions; they can’t survive without big ones (a.k.a Public ones). If today private trackers are flourishing and rolling with community (and money); it is because public trackers. Just close your eyes and imagine a world without public tracker, private trackers will cease to exist! They would be a direct target of raids, seizures and political bitchin’ etc. So they won’t survive at all. They are private because they can’t fight and can’t support the rights to fight. If they’ll become a piece of attraction they’ll get in trouble (sometimes wonder why What.CD removed Salinger’s unpublished books and why they don’t allow to re-up it?)
Stop bitching here, please I beg you!Quote:
Switching to private more secure and more effecient way to downloading, uploading and privacy too and also its closed communities not every body know everything about
First of all public trackers are more secure than private trackers. (The most wit VPN). The decentralized network, support of DHT/PEX and other (client’s) protocols make public sites more secure, efficient and reliable. Here’s an example; Due to all above discussed features of public trackers, even Admin, Sys.op of TPB can’t say what/when/how/ (from) where you’ve downloaded any torrent at any given time. No they can’t tell because there are no logs. That is why even after the months of TPB raid and seizure of (alleged) servers not a single person has been arrested thus far in charge of promoting and/or sharing copyright shit and wasn’t even arrested even after 2006 raid. (Ever wonder why/how?)
And, let’s talk about private trackers; well in terms of security they are worse, you never know in whose garage/house you are keeping your precious logs (IP activities). Internet is filled with tons of articles stating how xyz trackers sys.op co-operated with feds and either closed down the tracker or evn worse handover the logs to avoid imprisonment. Remember TsH, demenoid and those Swedish and German trackers and many you’ll never hear about due to closed door agreement. (Even after the demise of OiNK it’s sys.op and few staff member and reputed uploaders were also interrogated; few got imprisoned and many settled out of court with millions).
And, fuck knows when some crazy Russian/Chinese kids hacked into private trackers’ database and leaks and/or sells the whole database (including logs) for few hundred bucks! If Pentagon, NYTimes, JPMorgan, Sony, Embassies servers could be hacked than please don’t fap yourself to private ones.
Ha ha! That’s stupid assumption, really! Any anti-piracy agency (viz IP-Echelon for namesake) can expose your real identity with in two days (or less) on private trackers if you are on home network. As private trackers don’t allow VPNs all they have to do is to get-in the swarm you are in, keep those logs and locate your geo-location and raid your computer (remember these proofs are more than enough to sue you in court and get you imprisoned if your nations law allow).Quote:
And also public trackers not safe for your accounts on private trackers as you peering with public ones that you dont know who they are.
Private trackers are worse in keeping users privacy and thy never guarantee users safe-guard; always they just try to keep their ass safe. (Digg into TF) . if you think private trackers are more secure, efficient, caring and careful for it’s users then go ask your favorite tracker’s staff; Why they are hiding under the name of (being) private? Why they don’t go public, challenge the feds, raise their voice for freedom of speech and practice freedom of expression? Afterall they are more secure, smart and elite!
And if they fail to answer or you fail to question then consider yourselves a twit-wits; who disguise under the holy name of PIRATES. Fuck yeah!
It’s sad but the tragedy of 21st century is that we get internet access (which is a big platform itself) too early but the ability to think too late.
(ypieeeee! I’ve got HDB and BitMe and WCD and PTP and BTN and shit and shit and shit but got 0 I.Q.)
P.S: it’s tragic that people spend hours and hours in VPNs surveys and.or discussing which VPN stores logs and which don’t but they blindly singh-up nay private tracker(s) without reading their privacy policy, TOS. Shit we are!
P.S1: Ever tried to read BitMe’s User Agreement. BitMe is a member of Amazon.com associates program in association of Amazon.com. And bitme is under the laws of California and under the laws of US that the information in this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that BitMe.ORG is authorized to act on behalf of the owners of the exclusive rights which are being infringed as set out in the notification. Which possibly means upon the court order sys.op may/might share your usage logs (a.k.a IPs) on the request of copyright owner with FEDS.
And, many trackers’ support DMCA/FACT etc. and they do delete content upon troll request (which means trackers are under continuous surveillance even if you think you are private)!
So better to broaden your horizons and try to grow up. Trackers are no more than fb; who are continuously being criticized for making money at the stake of user’s privacy.
P.S2: yes there are exceptions. There are many trackers who encourage users to use VPNs or proxies and don’t keep logs too. (RuTracker, TsH etc are my heroes) – And, No offence intended. :)
Tl;Dr: public trackers are there to stay, they won’t go anywhere. In a time of MAFIAA keeping users privacy safe is a revolutionary act. But yeah! In coming years streaming services (like popcorn times, periscope) may take over p2p but being a paranoid for private trackers ain’t good. For security use public trackers with VPN or Usenet or (S)FTP a.k.a scene axx. That’s all I can say.
@Woland
You are completely right about that. However, what would pirates do once the whole torrent idea goes down. You can expect some serious attacks on all file-sharing sites soon, because $$$ is the only thing that matters. If the major torrent sites were to disappear right now, what would people do, where would you get all the content you wanted?
Well I will encourage you to read my Tl;Dr again. And believe me p2p (or torrenting) won't go anywhere. These serious attacks are what media shed your eyes; torrenting is troubled in some 4-5 countries viz; US, germany, UK, Oz etc. there still are atleast ~230 countries available where one can host it's servers. And as I said above p2p is very easy to host due to it's decentralized nature. (At least when it's public) so take it easy. Who knows even your children would be using TPB afterall. (Do you know TPB minimum sized 90 mbs and Maximum (with description, comments etc.) just ~600mbs) so hosting that small website ain't difficult if one has the guts to change the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokoshotar
You are kiddin' me! people always get something to share. Sharing is in very soul of people that can't be removed (you know there's even very underground North Korean tracker!) Before technology advancements people used to share with physical goods, then library books, then comes computer age then people start doing Sneakernet and share stuff with floppy discs, CDs, cassettes, USBs than comes FTP boards (modern day SCENE) and after it comes Napster, than Kzaa, Gnuetella, than our holy grail Bittorrent Protocol and usenet than comes cyberlocker sites and now streaming apps and sites. So practically filesharing habit is not handicap; it has legs whch moves on and on. So educate yourself.Quote:
what would people do, where would you get all the content you wanted?
And, a advice stop thinking too much and start exploring. There are many technologies to comeup with. P2p, trible, I2P, vpn, Project maelstrom, DDLs etc etc. There's no end of it. And afterall who says you have to dreed always; when everything disappear (so to say) than open your own website; lead the sharing spirit and HAIL THE HYDRA. Afterall 100mbs site won't be difficult to host, would it. ;)
Seems to be the case indeed. Thanks for explaining.